During full period of the 30 years war (1618 – 1648) it exists no certificates like birth, christening, death or marriage of all villages encircling the parc (domain) of Schoppenwihr. The period covered by acts of registry office is posterior to 1639 for many villages. That’s why we do not have any kind of acts of registry offices concerning Michel Geldrich and Melfinger Dorothéa. Therefore we had to find another sources and other proofs concerning them. The only proofs we could find are historical.

Historical evidences concerning the relationship between
Michel Geldreich married to Dorothea Melfinger,
and Jean Guillaume (Hans-Wilhelm) Geldrich von Sigmarshofen.

Historical generality concerning Saint-Hippolyte in Alsace / France:
was a Neolithic Site occupied in Roman epoch. Named for the first time in 774 under the name of "Fulrado vilare": farm of the abbot Fulrade of Saint-Denis; the village took its current name after interment of the relics of Saint Hippolyte by Fulrade, abbot of Saint-Denis at the end of the 8th century. Passed over to the Dukedom of Lorraine in the 13th century, fortificated before 1316 and provided with a city title, Saint Hippolyte remained a Lorraine enclave until up to french Revolution 1789.

The family of Lorraine  is a family which reigned over the dukedom of Lorraine from 1048 till 1453 and from 1484 till 1736, over the dukedom of Bar from 1484 till 1736, over the Tuscan from 1737 till 1860, over Autriche-Hongrie-Bohême from 1780 till 1918, over the dukedom of Modène from 1814 till 1859, over the dukedom of Parma from 1814 till 1874 and over Mexico from 1864 till 1867.

Its genealogy goes back up to the count Gérard d' Alsace (†1070), duke of Lorraine. The duke Francois III of Lorraine married 1736 Mary-Theresa von Habsbourg, heiress of this family von Habsbourg, giving birth to those who they called the Habsbourg-Lorraine (it is in fact the continuance of the family of Lorraine until our days, with addition of the name of Habsbourg for reasons of prestige). In 1737, François III left his rights on Lorraine to accept in exchange Tuscan's grand duchy which he kept until 1765; he kept the title however of "duke of Lorraine" for himself and his heirs. He was elected emperor of the Romans in 1745.

The current elder of the House of Habsbourg-Lorraine is the duke of Hohenberg (born in 1929). Nevertheless its branch, even as the elder, is considered as morganatic of Austrian point of view, and the title of duke of Lorraine is carried by the archduke Otto von Habsbourg-Lorraine (born 1912), elder son of the last emperor of Austria, Charles 1St.. The county, later dukedom of Bar is formed in the Xth century by Ferry of Ardennes, brother of the bishop of Metz Adalbéron. Ferry becomes in 959 duke of Haute-Lorraine. The county of Bar becomes again distinct in 1033 for Sophie, daughter of the duke Ferry II, married to Louis, Count of Mousson, also Count of Ajoie (in German = Elsgau) which include Ferrette and Montbéliard!

Hans Wilhelm Geldrich von Sigmarshofen was married to Elisabeth Waldner von Freundstein who had as mother Lucie de Ferrette and Hans Wilhelm Geldrich von Sigmarshofen was the supreme Council of Montbéliard. He counseled the Duke of Württemberg  in 1608. In 1615 he became chief of the Guards in Montbéliard. Subsequently, he was elected Mayor of the city of Montbéliard on January 08.1618.

St Hippolyte, where we find the Geldrich 1620, was therefore an Enclave belonging to the Dukedom of Bar which include Ferrette,
Montbéliard and St Hippolyte.

The GELDRICH von Sigmarshofen wich are established in Montbéliard as well as those of St Hippolyte are definitely related and a relation between St Hippolyte, Montbéliard and Schoppenwihr can also not be denied.

After the death of Thierry II. in 1044, Montbéliard goes to the older of its sons, Thierry, and Ajoie with Ferrette goes to his second son, however that the younger, Renaud († in 1149), gets Bar, which remains at the House Bars-monsoons until the XVth century.

Conquered and taken in captivity by Philippe le Bel in 1301, the Count Henry III must make homage to the king of France with a part of his dukedom located West of the province of Meuse called "the mooving Bar”  (The mooving Bar is the  Western part of the Dukedom of Bar in the sphere of influence of the French Kingdom), that means
subjected to the suzerainty of the King of France, and the Bar comtal or ducal, for whom the Count, then the Duke, remains immediately subjected to the emperor.

The emperor Charles IV, " Roman King ", establishes the county of Bar as Dukedom in 1354. The Count Robert, son-in-law of Jean le Bon, will be the first Duke of Bar.

On the death of the duke Édouard III, in 1415, during the battle of Azincourt, the Dukedom goes over to his brother the cardinal of Bar, which gives it up in 1420 to his grand-nephew, the future King René, who lay claim to the succession of his grandmother Yolande of Bar, sister of the Cardinal, and of its mother Yolande of Aragon, daughter of Yolande of Bar and of Jean I. of Aragon. By her marriage with Louis II. d' Anjou the Duchess of Anjou, Yolande of Aragon is the stepmother of Charles VII.  In 1430,  the "mooving Bar”  indeed passes into the influence of France.

After the death of René,
"mooving Bar”  goes to his daughter, Yolande of Anjou, then, in 1484 to her son, the Duke René II. of Lorraine and Bar. Since then, in 1483, the Dukedom had been amputated from the seigniories of Châtel-sur-Moselle and Bainville to the advantage of the royal domain. Afterwards Lorraine and Bar have an interconnected history. The Dukedom of Bar, with the Dukedom of Lorraine, is annexed by France in 1776 after the death of the last Duke of Lorraine and of Bar.
(From Stanislas Leszczynski)

Concerning the missing proofs for the family relationship byond Mathis Geldrich, son of Michael Geldrich married to Dorothée Melfinger, both living in Saint Hippolyte in Alsace / France.

The documents, like christening and marriage, tells us that Mathis Geldrich is born in Griesbach / Alsace / France. He was a juror and therefor member of the lay assessor’s court.

In The Middle Ages a juror is charged with police and manorial justice. He is most often chosen by the high feudatory or elected by the bourgeois and sometimes also called consul. In modern epoch a part of their judicial functions passed in the hands of the reeves and in many places the juror were just local officers, advisers of the mayor.
The jurors in Paris were the assessors of the reeves of the traders and met together in a same mayor’s office or in the town hall. The French revolution of 1789 abolishes the reeves and transfered their attributions to the mayors and to the town councils.
The head of the reeves was the Mayor. The Mayors and the jurors enjoyed the privilege of Nobility and acquired the Nobility wich they transmitted some years later to their children, as well as the additionals costs.

The Nobility of échevinage,
is the Nobility given by exercising the function of juror, or even if somebody of his paternal ancestors who exercised this function in a biger city with an assessor’s court where Nobility is given; cities like Paris or Lyon and such... This privilege was established following the example of those of the decurions of the Roman cities, which claimed themselves noble and privileged. 1371 Charles V. gave the nobility to the bourgeois of Paris.

Henry III. reduced by letters of January 1577 this privilege to the provost of the traders and to the four jurors who had been in her function since that implementation of Henry III. To the Crown and their successors, the children and the one to be born, should endow that they do not infringe. Some other cities have the same privilege.

But the most important is the Christening document (dated 10th of June 1695)  of the matrimonial daughter Anne Mary of Mathis Geldrich and Anne Elizabeth Klein. She married Jean Isenmann, bourgeois from Forstheim near Griesbach / Alsace / France, (the town where here father was born).

The godmother of Anne Mary Geldrich is Mary Wurmbser (Wurmser) member of a famous family of Alsace!

The Wurmser family is also a branch of the Waldner von Freundstein! Indeed in direct lineage of the baroness d'Oberkirch (Henriette Louise Waldner de Freundstein) The grandmother of the baroness d'Oberkirch is nobody else than Françoise Salomé von Wurmser von Vendenheim and von Sundhouse married to Fréderic Louis Waldner de Freundstein who was born in 1676 and died in 1735.

Henriette Louise Waldner von Freundstein (the later baroness d'Oberkirch) get educated by her godmother Eve von Wurmser, (a cousin of her father) since her mother died in september 1758; Henriette was 4 years of age. The Wurmser were also Barons.

In this link, http://vendenheim.free.fr/html/historique.htm, the orthography of the names Wurmbser and Wurmser is common.  The baron von Wurmser belonged also to the highest German aristocracy.

On this same Christening document of Anne Mary, daughter of Mathis Geldrich and Anne Elizabeth Klein) we have as her godfather Christian Schrackh.

On the Christening document of Jean-Jacques Geldrich, dated 1st. March, 1692, legitimate son of Mathis Geldrich and of Anne Elizabeth Klein and brother of Anne Mary we find also this family Scharckh with Eve Schrack as godmother.

We find this family Schrack or Schrackh spelt Schrackt in the lineage of the family of Dettlingen. Indeed in the newsletter of the genealogical circle of Alsace number 128, it is added that this Schrakt family is an aristocratic family but not  from Alsace / France. Caroline von Dettlingen married a member of the family  «von Schrakt» and has a grandmother «von Wurmser».

In the book "The memoirs of the baroness d'Oberkirch" (For more information go to  "DoberkirchE.htm" ) written by Henriette Louise Waldner de Freundstein, this name is spelt Schack. Orthography Schack and Schrack is also common! In the lineage of this family of Dettlingen, we find lots of marriages with Waldner von Freundstein and Wurmser von Vendenheim.

Another important thing is, Barbara, the sister of Elizabeth Waldner de Freundstein married in 1608 to Hans Wilhelm Geldrich von Sigmarshofen, married Jean-Jacques von Dettlingen in 1609.

We also have the Coat of arms of Geldreich on the funeral Slab of the mother of the baroness d'Oberkirch, Eléonora Sophia Waldner von Freundstein, born von Berckheim. For more information go to:  "DoberkirchE.htm"



We have in direct lineage in the genealogical tree of Henriette Louise Waldner de Freundstein, the baroness d'Oberkirch:

- And by going more upwards  folowing the direct lineage, we have also:

Knowing that Hans Wilhelm Geldrich von Sigmarshofen was also bailiff (a Judge and administrator of a Judicial circumscription).  A bailiff had the same fonction as a juror, but the juror’s fonction was restrictive to a city.

- Out of  this argumentations we can easely deduct the very tight family relationship between the  family Geldrich Mathieu (Mathis) married to Ann-Elizabeth Klein, the families von Dettlingen, Wurmser von Vendenheim and Waldner von Freundstein after the marriage of Hans Wilhelm Geldrich von Sigmarshofen with Elizabeth Waldner von Freundstein in 1608.

- We can also deduct the tight connection between Hans Wilhelm and Mathieu (Mathis) Geldrich; Therefore Mathieu Geldrich will be a descendant child of the lineage of Hans Wilhelm Geldrich von Sigmarshoffen (his grandfather) and son of Michael Geldrich married to Dorothée Melfinger.

- In third point we have the links between the family von Schauenburg and Jean Guillaume (Hans Wilhelm) Geldrich von Sigmarshofen.  See the pages concerning the city Oberkirch and the domain of Schoppenwihr.

On those documents, it is apparently established that Hans-Wilhelm Geldrich von Sigmarshofen has a is family connection to Oberkirch (Germany / Black Forest) and had propertys there.

The link between Schoppenwihr near Colmar in France and Oberkirch / Germany is apparently identified and proved!

Consequently we can affirm that Michael Geldrich married to Dorothée Melfinger, at the time living in St Hippolyte is well the son of Hans Wilhelm Geldrich von Sigmarshofen.

We also can affirm that the Geldreich / Geldrich from St Hippolyte and the Geldreich / Geldrich  from Oberkirch in Germany are from the one and same parentage.
The filiation of the Geldrich von Sigmarshofen.